The strange Strange Fire conference has put me into debate with some cessationists, especially when making this video. One common cessationist argument is that if the gift of prophecy still exists, the Bible isn’t our only source for doctrine about God, and thus the door to heresy stands wide open. Tom Pennington also uses this argument in his (bad) case for cessationism.
What I try to explain then is that firstly, prophecy has multiple purposes. 1 Samuel 9 contains a fascinating story about how Saul is looking for his father’s donkeys, and walks to prophet Samuel to see if he can use his prophetic gift to find out where they are. Before he even says something, Samuel invites him to dinner and adds “As for the donkeys you lost three days ago, do not worry about them; they have been found.” Then he reveals that the Lord has showed him that Saul is the new king of Israel, and anoints him.
Now, neither the revelation about the donkeys nor that Saul was to be king was doctrinal revelation; rather, they revealed a practical circumstance and God’s plan for an individual. These prophetic aspects should of course always be tested (1 Th 5:19-22), but there is not much need to worry about false doctrines here.
Furthermore, God can also confirm what He has previously said in the Bible. For example, God can, if He wants to, send an angel to me to tell me that He loves me. I told this to a cessationist, whereby he asked “Why would God send an angel to tell me that He loves me if that information has already been revealed to me in the bible?”
Excellent question! Jack Deere writes about this in his book Surprised by the Voice of God (pp. 217ff.) – a book I highly recommend. He describes how he used to believe that God never would use dreams and visions to communicate something that already was communicated in the Bible. “Why would he use an ‘inferior’ means to communicate when he had the Bible at hand?” However, Deere found out that this position actually contradicts Scripture:
One of the most famous dreams in the Scripture is the dream God gave Joseph when Joseph had made up his mind to divorce Mary because he thought she was carrying another man’s baby. An angel of the lord appeared to Joseph in the dream and told him that Mary’s child was not the result of an immoral act with another man. The child had been conceived by the Holy Spirit. […] The startling thing for me was that it was unnecessary. God did not have to use this dream to communicate the truth to Joseph about the virgin conception of Jesus. God could have simply brought Isaiah 7:14 to Joseph’s mind: “The virigin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Emmanuel.”
[…] We find the same phenomenon happening in the book of Acts. When Paul went to Corinth, he was apparently worried that he would be attacked there and possibly even killed. God came to him in a vision of the night and promised him that no one would harm him and that he had many people in the city of Corinth (Acts 18:9-11). Now, why did God give Paul a vision to communicate this? There were many perfectly good Old Testament texts he could have brought to Paul’s mind in order to communicate the same truth. For example, he could have led Paul to Isaiah 54:17: “No weapon forged against you will prevail, and you will refute that accuses you.” The completed Old Testament rendered this vision unnecessary, yet God still chose to give the vision.
Apparently God didn’t share my view of dreams and visions.
To illustrate this, let me share a testimony of a friend of mine here in Sweden. He used to be a Muslim but became a Christian after Jesus appeared to him in a dream and said “I am Jesus, I am your God”. Although never having read the Bible, my friend saw that Jesus’ hands had holes in them. Jesus showed him a woman in the dream and told him that she would explain who Jesus is. Later, my friend found the woman just as she had looked like in the dream, and it turned out that she was a Lutheran priests in his community.
Now, that Jesus is God and that His hands have holes are clearly something you can read in the Bible (Jn 1:1, 20:27). Yet, the Lord chose to reveal that in a dream to my friend (probably because he obviously didn’t read the Bible). Furthermore, the dream also revealed practical information about a priest which my friend could not have received from the Scriptures, information that helped him to become a Christian. This is why prophecy still is needed today.
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I have been enjoying your articles. I recently purchased two of Jack Deere’s books (Surprised by the Spirit and Surprised by the Voice of God), and look forward to reading them once they arrive. I actually read Surprised by the Power of the Spirit in the 90’s but I want to read it again, and share it with my wife.
Politically, I have been a “Conservative” and have been part of the evangelical “group think” when it comes to those issues. I do wonder if some of my opinions politically are actually biblically based. I suppose that I might be
“surprised by the spirit” on political issues as well, as I follow the Holy Spirit’s leading (and the bible of course :))
On somewhat of a side note (I can get off track easily), I feel that there is a disconnect with the first century church and what I see. I am willing to expect more of the gifts of the Spirit manifesting in my life, but I don’t know what to make of deliverance ministry. I think that I have come away with a more palatable version of casting out demons compared to (for the sake of extreme comparison) Bob Larson. I am willing to leave certain topics on a “shelf”, and simply spend time praying, and in the word, and focus on obedience to today’s manna. At some point in time I would like to have more understanding on this issue. My view at present, is that to some lesser degree we will do what Jesus did, but as a whole body of believers, we will do greater things than Jesus. Palatable version of casting out demons, would be praise and worship (example: David playing music to free Saul from demons) verses active confrontation (place any new testament example here). Yes, I have seen some deliverance, and the associated manifestations, but I am not sure If I can buy into the whole picture presented in the bible. I suppose my view might have something to do with living in the United States, as well as dealing with people with mental disorders in my profession.